Foggies

[Carbon]

Ok, so on the LS1 cruise, I had made it the entire way around the 400k loop and was heading out of Samford.

Well, little boy blue in either a XR6 or XR8 decides to pull me over. I was leading but following another car so couldn't figure out the reason.

Anyway, the guy had pulled me over for the fog lights being on. Now I admit that sometimes on cruises we have our lights on but anyway the cop tells me that it is now a $40 fine. He said some coppers were actually fining people were as he was kind enough to let me off with a warning and a blow in the bag.

So, be warned that if you drive around with foglights you are more likely to attract attention and be fined.

[EQUIPE-T]

Ok, so on the LS1 cruise, I had made it the entire way around the 400k loop and was heading out of Samford.

Well, little boy blue in either a XR6 or XR8 decides to pull me over. I was leading but following another car so couldn't figure out the reason.

Anyway, the guy had pulled me over for the fog lights being on. Now I admit that sometimes on cruises we have our lights on but anyway the cop tells me that it is now a $40 fine. He said some coppers were actually fining people were as he was kind enough to let me off with a warning and a blow in the bag.

So, be warned that if you drive around with foglights you are more likely to attract attention and be fined.

lol yeh i put a thread up about 2 years ago about this, does make sence thou, fog = fog light, no fog = no fog light, shits me off to no end when people have them on an sittin up ya arse on the highway from brisbane to maryborough

[Ben]

yeah, i got pulled over last week going to work at 2 am, and i had my fog lights on, i always drive with them on, and i got the same thing, blow in the bag, and a warning about them being on, he said the rule had come into effect as of the 1st of october or something....

[V8 Calais]

Yeah thats true.

Good thing but, it annoys the heck out of me following a car with fog lights on, specially excels, they seem to be the worst

[Ben]

i would think anything that enhances your vision at night would be a good thing.... much like high beam's.

[EQUIPE-T]

i would think anything that enhances your vision at night would be a good thing.... much like high beam's.

but do you use your highbeam all the time while normal driving? its like fog lights, only should be used in times of fog

[V8 Calais]

Yes but if you have high beams on when theres oncoming traffic it blinds them, common sense needs to be used

The rear ones are just a plain annoyance, there is no need for them unless there is fog, they are very hard on the eyes to traffic behind them.

[Ben]

i do use them in fog. At 2 am, driving up the bruce highway, most mornings there is a mist/fog accross the highway..

its funny but, i see cop cars with them on all the time.

[Carbon]

It appears that the boys in blue have not been informed about the E2's. A number of drivers have been pulled over in regards to the Daytime Running Lights. Dealers are having to assure customers they are legal. They are also advising drivers they must show the officer the handbook. Sorry, I dont see why the driver should have to.

As for sitting up arses I agree. However, sometimes your lights are the best way of getting people doing 60 in a 100 zone to move.

[EQUIPE-T]

i do use them in fog. At 2 am, driving up the bruce highway, most mornings there is a mist/fog accross the highway..

its funny but, i see cop cars with them on all the time.

have you not heard of the saying do as i say not as i do haha

[Darren]

lol yeh i put a thread up about 2 years ago about this, does make sence thou, fog = fog light, no fog = no fog light, shits me off to no end when people have them on an sittin up ya arse on the highway from brisbane to maryborough

I'm the same, there is no need for fog lights to be on unless of course there is a fog. Nothing worse than copping a face full of lights from an oncoming car or as you say in the rear vision mirror. It has been an offense to travel with fog lights on in situations other than a fog for several years.

[Darren]

some clarification straight from the new road rules act

217 Using fog lights
(1) The driver of a vehicle fitted with a front fog light or rear fog
light must not operate the fog light unless the driver is driving
in fog or other hazardous weather conditions causing reduced
visibility.
Maximum penalty—20 penalty units.
(2) In this section—
front fog light means a light (other than a headlight) fitted to
the front of a vehicle to improve illumination of the road in
fog, snowfall, heavy rain or dust clouds.
rear fog light means a light (other than a brake light, a tail
light, a number plate light or a reversing light) fitted to the
rear of a vehicle to make the vehicle more easily visible from
the rear in fog, snowfall, heavy rain or dust clouds.

[VP Pursuit]

I have rewired mine last weekend to run on the High Beams only. If the highs are off the corner lights wont come on.

[Carbon]

So based on that, Qld E2 drivers are screwed. The running lights are a safety feature and turn off at night when headlights turn on.

Really what's the difference in me having fog lights on during the day. Running lights are used to increase the visibility of the car to others. Really, wasn't I doing the same?

[CHE47]

Yeah I got pulled over the day after this came into effect. I've always driven with my driving lights on. But guess I can't anymore *sob* hahaha. Never really had a problem with other peoples fog lights on, but seems like a few people on here don't like them so fair enough :)

[Darren]

So based on that, Qld E2 drivers are screwed. The running lights are a safety feature and turn off at night when headlights turn on.

Really what's the difference in me having fog lights on during the day. Running lights are used to increase the visibility of the car to others. Really, wasn't I doing the same?

as you mentioned, if the manufacturer in documentation refers to the lights as driving lights or running lights then they don't fall under the restrictions for fog lights. And I guess I can understand why police may wish to see some kind of proof from the manufacturer that they aren't fog lights, otherwise anyone with factory fitted fog lights could simply claim they are driving lights to get out of a ticket.

I still don't think driving lights are necessary at night. In the daylight, any sort of light doesn't appear anywhere near as bright as it does at night. And I reckon if you can't see a pair of 55w headlights heading towards you or behind you then you aren't going to see a pair of smaller driving lights. Too many lights tend to dazzle & confuse oncoming motorists.

[Carbon]

Have you seen an E2 driving in the flesh? The DRL's are bright as. Very much brighter than my piddly foglights

[VP Pursuit]

Fog Lights by dictionary definition is

–noun an automobile headlight throwing light of a color intended to diminish the effect of fog, dust, etc., in the air.

Meaning Yellow / Orange - as White / Clear in fog does NOT diminish it....and I would argue that in court.

The lights that are fitted to most modern cars are Driving Lights and by difinition are a white / clear located on the lower front of a car / 4wd designed to illuminate the edges of the road and would fall more in line with the "Additional Lights" rule. I should imagine and would suggest there would be good grounds to point that fact out as a loop hole in the event that you did receive a ticket for it.

meaning that as long as you can prove that A it is not a "Fog Light" and B it does not dazzel other drivers then all should be well.

[V8 Calais]

Here is a thread posted about the rules CB Fog Lights (http://www.cruisingbrisbane.com/forum/topic/55044-fog-lights/page__hl__FOg%20Lights__fromsearch__1)


Fog / Additional Lights (http://www.cruisingbrisbane.com/forum/topic/55149-when-is-enough-enough/page__hl__FOg%20Lights__fromsearch__1)

As you can see you can be fined for 'unnessary lights' so if you put more additional lights on the car you can be technically fined as they aren't required. I posted those 2 links as they where posted by a Qld Police Traffic Officer.

[stealthvn/mr vr ss]

Fog Lights by dictionary definition is

–noun an automobile headlight throwing light of a color intended to diminish the effect of fog, dust, etc., in the air.

Meaning Yellow / Orange - as White / Clear in fog does NOT diminish it....and I would argue that in court.

The lights that are fitted to most modern cars are Driving Lights and by difinition are a white / clear located on the lower front of a car / 4wd designed to illuminate the edges of the road and would fall more in line with the "Additional Lights" rule. I should imagine and would suggest there would be good grounds to point that fact out as a loop hole in the event that you did receive a ticket for it.

meaning that as long as you can prove that A it is not a "Fog Light" and B it does not dazzel other drivers then all should be well.

i have used that one b4 they do not like it.....i can guarantee u see a car in daylight easier with driving lights on rather then not having them on and in some day light conditions some color cars are proven harder to see

[Darren]

Fog Lights by dictionary definition is

–noun an automobile headlight throwing light of a color intended to diminish the effect of fog, dust, etc., in the air.

Meaning Yellow / Orange - as White / Clear in fog does NOT diminish it....and I would argue that in court.

The lights that are fitted to most modern cars are Driving Lights and by difinition are a white / clear located on the lower front of a car / 4wd designed to illuminate the edges of the road and would fall more in line with the "Additional Lights" rule. I should imagine and would suggest there would be good grounds to point that fact out as a loop hole in the event that you did receive a ticket for it.

meaning that as long as you can prove that A it is not a "Fog Light" and B it does not dazzel other drivers then all should be well.

dictionary definitions aren't accepted in court if the term is defined within the relevant act. And in this case fog lights are defined within the TORUM traffic act, so that is the only definition that will be accepted (however there doesn't seem to be any mention of 'driving lights' which is something that could be questioned) If the term isn't defined within the act or regulation, then the only accepted source is the Macquarie English Dictionary. It's actually written in the main road use management act which is the act that governs all road use law.

However how the definition is interpreted can be questioned in court. So that would be your only option. But honestly... why bother, if your headlights can't provide enough light, then maybe they need to be checked!

[GMWAGN]

This is some info I had posted on another forum on this issue. I do have further info if anyone needs it, but I might need to upgrade my membership to be able to post links? :) Hope it helps.

Just to shed some light :lol: on the subject, I made up the following rough diagram.
Please note; the authorities use the LOWBEAM as the benchmark for all other lights.

The white shading represents the light cast by the lowbeam.
The blue shading represents the light cast by AUX Light 1.
The green shading represents the light cast by AUX Light 2.

This is where you need to carefully read the rules in the links provided in my first post!!
(i) Any light below the line of the lowbeam projection is considered a 'FOG' light, can be either white or yellow and is governed by the rules for 'FOG' lights. (This is where you need to check your states fog light laws)
(ii) Any light above the line of the lowbeam projection is considered a "DRIVING' light, can only be white, needs to wired with the highbeams and must be independantly switched. (This is where you need to check your states driving light law)

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