cam

[Derek VE SS]

checking into getting a cam for the VE but dont know a lot about the specs and nitty gritty ..

I have been quoted for Crow cam , 236@50 11.5 lobe seperation 580 valve lift ... what ever the hell this all means .. Can anyone explain in plain terms and any advice is appreciated ..

Quote was cam , valve springs ( LS1 conical ) , VCM otr , mafless tune , mafless loom , IAT sensor and IAT loom.. All done for $4000.00

car is auto , is this cam suitable ???????
:mobile:

[blown vess]

4k fark..........

[V8 Calais]

Gez im glad i don't own a VE!!.

Maybe look at a supercharger for it? VZ LS1 kits are like $6k complete with tune and intercooler etc.

I think capa do one for the LS2's for about the same kind of money. If it was me I would be saving the extra and getting a blower, the power to $ ratio is way better with forced induction

[Derek VE SS]

the price includes $800.00 for the OTR so its $3200 for cam etc...

Im not sure about the cam specs

[blown vess]

max you should pay is about $2200

[Derek VE SS]

our sponsor at HT quoted me $3200 for a different spec cam ...

Any info on the cam Brad , too big / small / ????

[blown vess]

i meant $3200 sorry typo

[XQU53]

$4000 is pretty reasonable if it includes a mafless tune. I was quoted $2300 I believe for a cam change including valve springs n a retune (as I already have a mafless tune).

With the specs you quoted for the cam there should be 2 figures...ie. 230/236 for example, one being intake duration and one being exhaust duration of the cam...(and anyone correct me if im wrong as Im no expert) but I believe if you start getting into the high 230's with the duration, shaving of the heads is required for clearance, which means a bit more work and $$$'s

[Mark]

If thats including an OTR, it seems to be on the money to me Derek...

[Derek VE SS]

If thats including an OTR, it seems to be on the money to me Derek...

It includes a VCM otr so the price checks out , just need more info on the cam size , I have asked for clarification on that

[Carbon]

4k fark..........

That's about right Brad. My total was about $3500 and add an OTR and $4 is about it.

[keith reed]

Give crow cams a ring and ask them. Tell them of the cars intended use. The come racing web site has a list of their cams. Not saying that you should deviate from your plan to use a crow cam but it might give you an idea of what you are getting. Perhaps crow have a similar web site.

[blown vess]

That's about right Brad. My total was about $3500 and add an OTR and $4 is about it.
I'd better start asking the prices of things before just saying do it lol

[Carbon]

.....lol.......:bouncing:

[CalaisRider]

Hey Derek, by no streatch of the imagination am I saying that mine is best out there but simply by way of comparison for you Mine is

Isky Racing Cam

224/232 running 114 LSA

It has round figures 615 "lift" inlet and sorst (I can get you exact spec if needed)

Mine as VE A6 and after a few tweaks it runs almost stock as a rock at idle yet pumps pretty well with the go pedal. A smooth idle is difficult with a stock stallie A6 - and I am literally "wraped" and in awe with what Ash at Hi Torque achieved with mine.. Of course you can tune the other way and lope and groupe but having ben there done that, IMO it's absolute shitfull verging on dangerous with a stock stallie - hence a grumpie bum setup needs a Hi Stall Converter additional.

My only concern on your cam stated would be the 111 LSA. The smaller the number the grumpier it will be and also more explosive power. I also think that for the more recent LS variants anything under 600 "lift" is robbing you of best potential.

Pete

[stealthvn/mr vr ss]

$4000 is pretty reasonable if it includes a mafless tune. I was quoted $2300 I believe for a cam change including valve springs n a retune (as I already have a mafless tune).

With the specs you quoted for the cam there should be 2 figures...ie. 230/236 for example, one being intake duration and one being exhaust duration of the cam...(and anyone correct me if im wrong as Im no expert) but I believe if you start getting into the high 230's with the duration, shaving of the heads is required for clearance, which means a bit more work and $$$'s

i run a 232/234 cam in a ls1 stock heads and its fine

[Derek VE SS]

Thanks Pete , sounds like I better look into this further... The mob quoting on this claim to have fitted crap loads of these cams but are not giving me much of an indication of expected power gain either

[CalaisRider]

Thanks Pete , sounds like I better look into this further... The mob quoting on this claim to have fitted crap loads of these cams but are not giving me much of an indication of expected power gain either

Power wise Derek

I commenced lif with the Luxo at 208 rwkw - yeh I know Holden claim 270kw but that's at the flywheel - not rear wheels, and is abviously variable from engine to engine.

Added the bolt ons stuff and managed between 245 and 252 rwkw

Went the Cam and resulted in 305 rwkw.

Just remember that I blew the begeeserie out of my first engine and auto box on the hunt for grunt early days. So what I am comparing is a start point and my current status.

I have been involved with four Tuner/Hi Performance shops. Hi Torque have achieved the best result for me to date ( four years in the making). Mine is a 2006 model.

With a turbo or supercharger - 400-500 rwkw is realitively easy to achieve (just add $$$ as to how much you want/need).


Pete

[CalaisRider]

i run a 232/234 cam in a ls1 stock heads and its fine

Yeh manual gearbox cars can handle in the 234-240 range easy enough - albeit this size cam only pulls HP not helpfull for torque and launch whatsoever.. Great for brags though.

Just gotta remember that with the new type LS engines that without strong as buggery valve springs you will do as I have twice now. Valve kissed piston at 7,000 rpm. Shatters lotsa stuff when it happens twice I can assure you - cam requires some sturdy ancillaries to control the BIG valves on current models.

[stealthvn/mr vr ss]

pete i can garentee this cam pulls torque i will be at willowbank on sat night after powercruise, this cam with right setup has seen many 11's from ls1's

[stealthvn/mr vr ss]

and yes i run good springs and good rods, and in auto with 4000rpm stall (will be fitted wednesday)

[Carbon]

Power wise Derek

I commenced lif with the Luxo at 208 rwkw - yeh I know Holden claim 270kw but that's at the flywheel - not rear wheels, and is abviously variable from engine to engine.

Added the bolt ons stuff and managed between 245 and 252 rwkw

Went the Cam and resulted in 305 rwkw.



My results were almost identical to these Derek. Hi-Torque achieved 308 with mine (I know - semantics). Kent and the boys used the same cam as Kent's which is also the same cam that is in Andy's (EVLHSV) black Senator. His opinion was it was perfect for alround daily driving while still producing good numbers. He has recommended a bigger cam for a mates car but he doesn't do peak hour every day so you can do that.

Mine sounds great, idles well and you dont sit at the lights banging your head against the pillars. The size Brad is talking about for his VX Cliubby is probably your next choice.

Who over there have you got to quote you. I know Perth a little as you know but couldn't say I automatically knew where you are in relation to other places. I have heard really good things about

Pro Auto Performance
32 -34 Vinnicombe Drive
Canning Vale WA 6155